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"Wow, what a great weekend we had. As everyone knows I haven't been doing a lot of sailing but this past weekend reminded me why nothing beats sailing in a regatta over the weekend. Why you ask... well for me
1. Road Trip- who doesn't like getting away.
Need I go on.
pointed toward the mark and sailed as fast as we could. We did okay
that race and finished 9th, helping to lift our spirits. Race 3 start
we were in trouble at the start, I was approaching on port, could not
find a hole and the velocity picked up and the wind swung left favoring
the pin, we were headed toward the boat with no hole to tack into All I
was thinking was S#@t,S#@t,S#@t,S#@t! Ask the crew because I guess I
said it also. I just prayed for something to happen because I wan't
going to be able to take the Wrath of Kaitlyn if I had a third row
start. Well don't you know the starboard boats could barely make the
line so there was just enough room for me to start on port a hair late
down near the boat. With all the speed from the broad reach, we shot
out to a pretty clear horizon, there is a God. We sailed well that
race, I tried to go fast, Howard and Kaitlyn fed the info. and tactics
and we finished 7th. Good enough for 10 after day 1
Sunday we woke up to light wind in the parking lot but whitecaps on the
river. Oh Boy, haven't done this in a while. It was just about 60
degrees and some forward crew from other boats who were going to be
coldest hesitated a bit. We sailed out in conditions I hadn't seen in a
little while, only to have my ability questioned by my forward crew.
It was one of those mornings, no need to raise the jib before the
warning, the wind is steady and big. So we reached back and forth, got
soaked and waited for the 5 minute gun. Oh and it was a Triangle
course, I didn't even know they did those anymore. Big air gybes always
fun for spectators not so much for 56 year old skippers. We had a good
start, poked out to boats around, hiked and sailed as best we could.
The fast crews were around us and we were holding, ok. Enough sailing on
starboard, we have a lane let's tack. Ooops, John Dad, dropped the
tiller, another refrain of S#@t,S#@t,S#@t,S#@t, back onto starobard,
good news, no fouls and only lost 4 boatlenghts and found ourselves in
decent shape at the weather mark, We do a W-L-W-R-L-W triangle so it
was no problem setting the chute on the 2nd leg for dead downwind. We
sailed as fast as boats around us which was good. We did not sail as
fast as top crews, but not surprised with our limited time together and
practice in these conditions. Back upwind we hiked then off to the
reach. Thanks goodness the reaches were broad and we had no problems.
We finished 7th again. 2nd race Sunday the wind stayed up. Nothing
fancy here stated conservative with a times start on Starboard coming
into the line from behind and below the RC boat. Again we held with
everyone, to my surprise, dropped the tiller one more time and finished
9th so results 19 9 7 7 9 for 8th place.
Given our average of 8 in the first race and we would have been 6th
overall , 1 spot from our goal. John or Dad was exhausted but very
Information is final.
Information is final.
Regatta results last updated: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 1:18:31 PM CDT
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The Larry Klein memorial Match Race was changed somewhat from other years. The 3 race qualifying series was out, and double elimination was in. Cesar Romero used the internet to find a 9 participant double elimination bracket to fill in with boat numbers. The course was set as a 4 leg zig-zag with both port and starboard mark roundings and a separate finish line. That meant that more than one race could be going on the course at the same time, just five minutes later.
Sunday morning was chilly, cloudy, and calm. A little rain had fallen overnight, and drizzle threatened most of the day. The skippers’ meeting explained all about the box, the umpires, the flags, and the various colored marks. Some of the extra time gained by dropping the qualifying series was lost in waiting for the wind to come up. Once it did the Race Committee got things moving quickly.
All boats had their first race before the One Loss Bracket began eliminating teams. As teams left the field, the others had less and less time to relax before returning to the fray. Sam Ingham was sent to the One Loss Bracket after his first race against John Baker. But from that point on, he won his way to the top of that bracket including a rematch with Baker. Meanwhile Mike Ingham knocked out all his competition in the Winning Bracket, until the finals where he faced his son, Sam.
Sam won their first encounter, but that meant they each had just one loss. One more race was needed, and Sam got out ahead, but was careful to cover his dad right from the start of the first beat. On the second leg, Sam got his spinnaker pole up early to be ready after the upcoming starboard rounding. The third leg was downwind where Sam pulled further ahead. Mike closed the distance somewhat on the last beat, but Sam kept him covered for about 2/3 of the beat before he aimed right for the finish.
In the end Mike Gillum and his all-family team took 3rd Place, Mike Ingham, a proud father, took 2nd Place, and Sam Ingham claimed 1st Place.
Amendment proposal from Fleet #61 to permit technology to enable post race analysis
The proposal revises CMR #65 as follows to permit position sensing devices during racing as follows:
Revise Chief Measurer’s Ruling #65 to read as follows:
Electronic or electrical devices shall not be used except as follows: digital electronic compasses are permitted, provided that they do not have the capacity to display any information other than the digital compass heading; electronic starting timers and stop watches are permitted; position sensing devices are permitted provided that the information that is recorded or output is not used onboard.
CMR #65 Existing wording:
Electronic or electrical devices, such as electronic navigational instrumentation, shall not be used. Digital electronic magnetic compasses are permitted, provided that the devices do not have the capacity to provide any information other than the digital compass heading. Electronic starting timers and stop watches are not prohibited by this CMR and may be used.
Reasoning for the change:
A growing number of devices exist today that have the capability to record speed, position, heading, and other parameters about the device’s position and movement. Most people already own a smart phone capable of recording this information, and many other standalone devices exist, the sole purpose of which is to record this information. There are several websites, including free services,that can display a recorded track. Carrying such a device on board while racing to record information for use in post-race analysis can be beneficial for self-improvement, education, fleet building, live race broadcast, and class promotion to name just a few. As the amendment states, such a device would not be allowed to be visible, audible, or otherwise usable while racing.
1. Self improvement- Analyzing one's own race data can have significant value in improvement of one's sailing ability.
2. Education- Viewing a replay of a race in a group or classroom setting (think Coach-TCA afternoon debriefs, fleet racing recaps, accompaniment for slide shows at regatta dinners, etc.)
3. Class/Fleet Building- In order to attract millennials, juniors, and other up and coming sailors to our class, we must embrace the technology that other classes are adopting.
4. Live Broadcasting- This amendment provides for the ability of devices to broadcast live race data to allow spectators to watch races in real time. No more waiting for FaceBook updates or Tweets about who is rounding the marks first.
5. Advertising- Race replays can easily be used for advertising purposes.
During the 2009 season, the Seattle Thistle fleet used the Kattack Race Analysis system, for which they were granted a temporary exemption by the TCA. Low-cost GPS units were stored out of sight during racing (in a dry bag or rear tank) and data was uploaded to a website after all boats had returned to the dock. The fleet’s goals in using GPS recording were education and fleet building and the technology was very successful at helping fleet members improve their sailing. Below are quotes from 2009 from fleet members.
“Our fleet has always been welcoming to new members. We share go-fast ideas, hold ‘crew change & improve’ nights, and congregate in the parking lot to discuss the evening’s racing. Our use of Kattack fits right into that pattern and is particularly useful for sailors who are new to the sport (not just new to a Thistle) – precisely the sailors we are all working so hard to attract and retain in the class. Being able to see the decisions that more experienced sailors made in a race has helped new members learn about tactics and strategy…In essence, we view Kattack as a coaching tool, and so far it has been a great success!” -- Doug Stumberger
“The Kattack allows one to see after the fact how one tacks affects the time it takes to regain speed. You can see how shifts were played correctly or incorrectly. We don’t have an issue with people looking at the devices during the race. I and some others put it in the rear tank, so it is not visible. It is a good teaching tool for both experienced and new Thistlers. It adds a new dimension to races by being able to see what others did and how they achieved their results. I think it adds to the racing experience. It is not an advantage on the race course so there is no mandatory must have to spend the money issues. If you don’t want to use it, you are not at a disadvantage in the race.
-Wayne Balsiger -2010 PNW District Governor
I'm happy to provide feedback from the "middle" crew position. Kattack provides invaluable feedback for any team looking to improve their racing skills. In #3995 my job is mainly sail trim, boat speed, and reading the shifts. Kattack is a fantastic visual tool that allows me to compare (after racing) my boat speed against other boats. It also reports when my "navi-guessing" skills are successful or not-so-successful. (i.e.: how did I miss that big righty!). Kattack is the next best thing to a real life coach.
-Laura Bolin – Fleet Secretary/Treasurer
I thought it was very helpful to be able to assess my boat speed against other boats and to be able to review and try to learn from my decisions/errors relative to the wiser members of the fleet.
Being a mid fleet boat, it’s been great to watch our sailing angle and speed against some of the upper fleet boats. It has cleared up some perception problems and helped us focus on specific issues which are far obvious in review on the tracks then it is in the heat of the race.
-Fleet 61 member
Submitted by Graham Vaughan, Fleet #61
son, Sam Ingham, with Alexa Cavalieri and Delia Ingham (Sam's mom and Mike's wife) as crew, who finished the regatta in second place overall. Third went to Hans William who scored a consistent 4, 3, 6 on the final day. Mike Gillum edged out Jonathan Posner for 4th place by winning the final race of the regatta. Posner finished in 5th. The President's Fleet was won by John Baker, Joy Martin and Aaron Holland, who had a comfortable lead over the second place boat, which was skippered by Oscar Barney.
SEE THE BELOW AMENDMENT PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY FLEET #53. PLEASE REVIEW THE PROPOSAL AND SUBMIT COMMENTS USING THE LINK BELOW. THANK YOU.
Amendment Proposal by Fleet #53:
Change Chief Measurer’s Ruling #7 to read:
7. Buoyancy Tanks
– Required. For wood hulls, these may be of
wood construction or buoyant material such as Styrofoam. Supplemental flotation
of any type may be placed under the seats,
CURRENT RULING #7
7. Buoyancy Tanks - Required. These may be of wood construction or buoyant material such as Styrofoam. Supplemental flotation of any type may be placed under the seats, but seats may not be widened nor the buoyancy extended beyond the vertical plane of the inside edge of the seats. Bow flotation may not extend aft of the forward edge of the mast stanchion. Flotation forward of the gratings must be at least 14” below the sheer and spray must drain into the bilge. Stern flotation may not extend forward of the grating. If a block of unicellular foam such as Styrofoam is used for buoyancy tanks, artificial hollowing or cored shapes may not be used.
Reasoning for this change:
Safety. At present, wood boats are not able to have as much flotation in the seat area as glass boats. Because of this, when wood boats are capsized they have less buoyant force and sit much lower in the water (~ 9-12”). When they are righted, they scoop up much more water and sit much lower (~6-9”) with much less freeboard above the water. This makes it very difficult to self-rescue esp. in wavy waters. Wood boat owners are not looking for an advantage over glass boats. The 1”4” dimension from the inside skin for their seat tanks is what glass hulls are allowed presently in the Plans and Specifications. We just wish to be able to self-rescue on a par with glass boats.
Christopher Klotz, Fleet # 53 Captain
During the Pre-Columbian era, the lake marked the southern end of a well worn portage for members of the Erie, Seneca, and other Native American tribes travelling between the watersheds of Lake Erie, which flows eastward to the Atlantic Ocean, and the Allegheny River, which flows southward to the Gulf of Mexico.
During the French and Indian War, the lake represented a strategic keystone in the battle for control of the North American continent.
And in 2017, Chautauqua Lake will serve as battleground for one of the continent’s most vibrant and competitive sailing classes: the Thistle National Championship comes to Mayville, N.Y., July 22 to 28.
A Community Effort
Similar to prior Nationals held in Edenton, N.C., and Flathead Lake, Mont., the Chautauqua event will be a community-supported, community-run regatta. Chautauqua Yacht Club in conjunction with the Thistle Class Association is the organizing authority, with support from Chautauqua Lake YC, the Mayville-Chautauqua Chamber of Commerce, Chautauqua County Visitors Bureau, Town of Chautauqua, and Chautauqua Institution.
Chautauqua Lake is located on the edge of the Allegheny Mountains in western New York, 10 miles south of (and 800 feet above) Lake Erie, 60 miles southwest of Buffalo, N.Y., and 40 miles east of Erie, Pa.
The lake is 17 miles long, 2-miles wide in the northern basin, where racing will take place. Winds typically blow along the lake’s long axis, which runs from southeast to northwest. During summer, in the absence of a dominant weather system, a southerly thermal (5 to 8 knots) typically develops in the morning, replaced by a northerly (8 to 20 knots) in the afternoon. Daytime highs rarely exceed 80 degrees, and nighttime temperatures dip into the mid 50s. Mosquitoes are rare, and the lake is perfect for swimming.
Mayville Lakeside Park will serve as the regatta base and boat park. Volunteers will launch boats using two ramps and a portable crane, and we’ll tie up along a dock built specifically for the event.
On-site camping will be available at Mayville Lakeside Park. The park has a bathhouse with toilets and outdoor showers, and organizers will provide portable toilets and showers. For full-feature campgrounds, check out Camp Chautauqua and Camp Prendergast (approx. 5 miles away) or Chautauqua Lake KOA (14 miles away).
For hotels, Chautauqua Suites (1/2 mile away) is offering a special rate on suites starting at $141.99/night.; Webb’s Resort has motel-style rooms starting at $140/night. Find more information about hotels, B&Bs, and vacation rentals at TourChautauqua.com.
There’s so much to do in Chautauqua when you’re not sailing. Catch a world-class symphony or opera at Chautauqua Institution, a resort community that has served as the region’s cultural center since 1874. Daily gate fees range from $16 to $82, depending on when you arrive and how long you plan to stay. (Free admission on Sunday.) Whether you take in a lecture (just what a racing sailor needs, right?) or attend a theatrical production, the Institution’s artistic and cultural offerings are sure to inspire. During Nationals, the programming theme is, “The Supreme Court: At a Tipping Point?,” featuring lecturer Jeffrey Rosen, president and CEO of the National Constitution Center. Visit ciweb.org/2017 for schedules and calendar updates.
From Mayville Lakeside Park, climb aboard the Chautauqua Belle for a steamship tour across Lake Chautauqua. Reserve tickets at www.269belle.com.
To create a self-guided tour of the Chautauqua area, download the Orbitist app, which includes maps and ideas for exploring historic sites, villages along Lake Erie, and more.
You can even send the kids to camp for the week. Inside the Institution, the Boys’ and Girls’ Club runs the oldest day camp in the country, open to the public. In Jamestown, Infinity Visual and Performing Arts’ Time Machine Day Camp lets kids explore music and arts through the ages. Also in Jamestown, the Audubon Nature Community Center offers day camps to accommodate a variety of ages and interests.
Chautauqua is an excellent home base for outdoor adventure. Cyclists and hikers can explore the extensive Chautauqua Rails to Trails path, which passes right through Mayville Lakeside Park. Or hike the Chautauqua Gorge, featuring scenic waterfalls, refreshing swimming holes—even a designated skinny-dipping area.The Fred J. Cusimano West Side Overland Trail offers hikers and mountain bikers over 24 miles of trails.
Like golf? Nearby Peek’n Peak Resort has a world-class course (hosting the PGA Tour over Fourth of July weekend). The resort also offers an Aerial Adventure Course, ziplines, archery, mountain biking. mini golf, Segway tours, a spa, and an indoor/outdoor pool complex.
Can't get enough boating? Rent a kayak, canoe, or SUP at Evergreen Outfitters. Or, rent a pontoon or powerboat from Chautauqua Marina. The full-service marina is offering Thistlers a $25 discount on boat rentals (offer details).
Need a drink? Beer snobs won’t want to miss Southern Tier Brewing Company in Lakewood. You can also stumble along the Chautauqua-Lake Erie wine trail or sip a cocktail on the lawn at historic Hotel Lenhart in Bemus Point.
On a rainy afternoon, head to the Lucille Ball Desi Arnaz Museum & Center for Comedy in Jamestown, or drool over the classic wooden boats on display at the Lawson Center in Bemus Point.
Schedule of Events
· Saturday, July 22: Measurement; registration; Women’s and Youth Championships, Chautauqua Belle dinner cruise (1 of 2)
· Sunday, July 23: Opening ceremony; practice race; reception; BBQ dinner sponsored by a volunteer fire department
· Monday, July 24: Fleet racing; Chautauqua Belle dinner cruise (2 of 2)
· Tuesday: Fleet racing; private dinner at Southern Tier Brewing Co.
· Wednesday, July 25: Championship and President’s Division Racing; post-race reception at Hubbell Boat Club; dinner on your own
· Thursday, July 26: Championship and President’s Division Racing; BBQ dinner sponsored by a volunteer fire department; Music in the Park (Mayville Lakeside Park) or Chautauqua Symphony Orchestra (Chautauqua Institution)
· Friday, July 27: Championship and President’s Division Racing; awards banquet at Chautauqua Suites
There is no quota, but early registration is a must. Registration opens March 1; early-registration discount ends June 15; registration deadline is July 7. Competitors must meet the usual TCA rules for qualifying for Nationals, which may be completed after registering.
We hope to see you in Chautauqua! Questions? Contact regatta co-chairman Tom Hubbell.
The Eugene Yacht were the perfect hosts for the competitors. Nearly all the competitors camped on site and the club volunteers were able to provide three meals daily for everyone. Special thanks goes to Regatta Chairman, Stuart Ramsing and his assistant Nicole Tiffany for putting on a fantastic event.
See the writeup below from Mike Ingham, which was posted on the North Sails web site:
"Eugene YC is a special place both on the water and off. We had been to the there for the last 2 Nationals, so we immediately signed up this year barely consulting our calendars –everything else could take a back seat. When asked what it is like, I would say "The wind comes in like clockwork (no foulies required), the RC is spot on, the club members are gracious hosts, the camping is perfect, the scenery beautiful and there is never a drop of rain.” Fortunately, the 2016 Nationals lived up to those exaggerations.